When the belief of Sufi Orders contradict each other!

Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem

Allahumma Swalli Ala Sayyidina Muhammadin Wa Ala Aali Sayyiduna Muhammadin Wa Sallim

This is a quick note, on the issues relating to the contradictions in the belief of Qadiri, Naqshbandi and Tijani Sufi Orders related to Imam Mahdi (A.S) and the Saint hood of Sulthanul Awliya Shaykh Abdul Qadir Al-Jilani (Q.S) and Shaykh Ahmad Tijani-Founder of Tijani Sufi Way (Q.S)

It was usually mentioned by Qadiri Sufis:

When Hadrat Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qadir Radi Allahu Ta’ala Anho declared that his foot is on the necks of every Wali of Allah. At that time Almighty Allah SubHanuhu wa Ta’ala beamed a Tajalli (lustre) on the Shaykhs’ heart and Sayyiduna Rasoolullah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Sallam sent a sacred garb with a group of exalted Angels for the Shaykh. There was a gathering of every Wali of the past and present. The Awliya who were alive presented themselves physically and those who had passed on, their souls were present. It was in this splendid gathering that the Angels dressed the great Ghawth Radi Allahu Ta’ala Anho with this consecrated garb. At that moment a huge crowd of Rijal al-Ghayb (Men of the Unseen) and Angels were also present. The birds in the skies tucked their wings in respect and absolute submission. All of them filled the horizons to witness this coronation. There was no Wali of Allah on earth that did not bend his neck in submission to the declaration of the Ghawth.


Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem,

Was Sulthanul Awliya Shaykh Jilani (Q.S) is highest of all Saints (those who carry Wilayath) from the time of Adam (A.S) to Last man?

If yes, is the neck of Abu Bakar Sidiq (R.A), Umar Ibn Khattab (R.A), Usman (R.A) Ali (R.A) and all the 12 Imams (A.S) and Khidr (A.S) are under his feet?

Or what said there: “every wali’s neck is under my feet” is only the saints who lived on this earth in his time?

Pls clarify with authentic proofs.


Tijanis claim similar about Shaykh Ahmad Tijani (R.A)After the time of Shaykh Abdul Qadir Al Jilani (Q.S) and Shaykh Ahmad tijani (Q.S), lot of exaggerations are made by some of their followers, like Christians exaggerated!We see contradictions in Bible four gospels!If all what is said about this 2 Saints (Awliya Allah) are true inspirations from same source, then it should not contradict!

From Biography of Shaykh Ahmad Tijani, founder of Tijani Sufi Order:1735-1815 These two feet of mine are upon the neck of every saint of Allah, from the time of Adam until the blowing of the trumpet”; “’Our station in the Presence of Allah in the Hereafter will not be attained by any of the saints, and it will not be approached by anyone, whether his importance is great or small. Of all the saints among from the very beginning of creation until the blowing on the trumpet, there is not one who will attain to my station.”

Shaykh Abdul Qadir Al-Jilani (Q.S) lived 800 years or more, before time of Shaykh Ahmad Tijani!

So, this kind of statements which Shaykhs said is in their Haqiqat, when they are in total annihilation with Allah!When they see non but Allah-Illa Allah, they uttered this words!When they see themselves alone in the presence of Allah!But poor murids like us, take it in worldly meaning and misinterpret!

Another saying of Tijanis is that: They say Mahdi is the follower of Tijani Way!

But Imam Rabbani Ahmad Sirhindi (Q.S) said Imam Mahdi will be from our tarikat (Naqshbandi Way) who lived 500 years before Shaykh Ahmad Tijani (Q.S)

Those who are up on true Aqidha of ahlu sunna wa jamah will not believe Shaykh Abdul Qadir al Jilani and Shaykh Ahmad Tijani , their necks are under the feet of every Wali!

All Sahaba and 12 Imams are those who carry Wilayath and higehst in Sainthood is Hazret Abu Bakar Siddiq (R.A), Hz Umar Ibn Khattab (R.A) and Hz Usman (R.A) and Hz Ali Ibn Abi Talib (R.A), Imam Hassan (R.A)., Imam Hussain (R.A) and many other Imams of Ahlul Bayt

Prophet (alaihiswalathu wa salam) said: “If the faith (iman) of all believers except Ambiya  (Prophets) in one side and the faith of Abu Bakar (R.A) on the other side and weigh it, then the faith of Abu Bakar (R.A) will weigh more!Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam said: “If Allah give revelations to anyone after me, it will be to Umar Ibn Khattab (R.A)”Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam said : “There will be the name of Usman written in every doors of heaven aside of holy kalimath”

Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam said: “I am the city of knowledge and Ali  is the door”

Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam said: “this son of mine (Imam Hassan A.S) is a Sayyid”Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam said: “Hassan and Hussain (Peace be up on them) are the leaders of youth in the Paradise”

Mawlana Shaykh Nazim Al Haqqani Sulthanul Awliya (Q.S) said, about Imam Mahdi (A.S) in the video entitled Shaykh Nazim Al Mahdi and 12 Imams,

When Shaykh Abdullah Dagestani (Q.S) met Imam Mahdi (A.S) spiritually, he asked to Mahdi (A.S)

oh my Master, when you emerge ,which Mazhab will you follow?Mahdi (A.S) replied: Oh Shaykh Abdullah, All Imams follow us, we are Mujtahidun Mutlaq, like Holy Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam.

Watch here:

Sahibu Saif Sayyid Shaykh Abdul Kerim Al-Kibrisi (R.A) a decendant of Shaykh Abdul Qadir AL Jilani (Q.S) said: “no one can attain the ranks of the holy Sahaba of Prophet alaihiswalathu wa salam”

So when Sufi story telling contradtic among different Sufi groups,then follow the beliefof the ahlu sunna wal jamah of Ash’ari and Mathuridi creed and ask the most true ones who live today.

All Prophets are Awliya Allah but all Saints are not Prophet.

Tijanis also claim and misinterpret: “Our way begins where all other way end”But the same is said by Shah Bahauddin Naqshbandi (Q.S) 500 years before Shaykh Ahmad Tijani (Q.S) was born!

All other true Sufi Mashaykh agree that “Naqshbandi Order is the highest of orders as it’s lineage is fromboth Abu Bakar R.A and Ali R.A and 12 Imams (R.A.A)

This is my message to story telling Sufis.

I am not against any particual Sufi group, but one must not speak words of Awliya Allah out of context which they said in the state of Annihilation!

If you are taking the direct word meaning of what Awliya Allah said, then why don’t you worship Allah in Al Hallaja (Q.S), who said, Anal Haqq (I am the Truth) in his fana (spiritual annihilation in oneness of Allah)???

You are taking the words of Awliya Allah, what fit for your ego  and misinterpreting it!?

Woe to you oh self acclaimed Sufis, be stead fast, do not spread false words to glorify your Shayakhs and Imams!
The problem today is that, so many murids and khalifas of Shaykhs do not have basic Adab (religious discipline)!, discipline is of the heart,mind,soul, tongue, eyes, ears, nose.
not only about wearing of some particular cloths and holding a tasbih 24 hours in hand!

And if I am wrong, correct me with Original references from the Aqeedah of Ahlu Sunna Wal JamahWa mina Allahu Tawfiq

Jouhar Ali Naqshbandi Al-Hassani


Speak truth in the name of Allah alone

Speak truth in the name of Allah alone


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